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UC Irvine is excited to host its second annual “Beach Party” invitational tournament, to be held either November 8 & 9, 2008 or November 15 & 16, 2008 on the UCI campus.  While dates will likely be finalized in the next two weeks, we wanted to put the event on everyone’s radar because of the new wrinkle to this year’s Beach Party.  In addition to again hosting a Saturday night beachside barbecue, our 2008 tournament will also feature an actual bracket system—as far as we know, the first of its kind.

You can read all the details of our new pairing system on the UCI Mock Trial website (http://www.irvinemocktrial.com/beachparty.html), but here’s the gist:  Each school brings exactly two teams.  Those teams move through the bracket as a single competitive unit, swapping sides each round.  For example, suppose UCLA and Berkeley meet in round one.  One Berkeley team represents the plaintiff and one Berkeley team represents the defense; likewise for UCLA, one team represents the plaintiffs and one team represents the defense.  Each Berkeley team plays the corresponding UCLA team.  The combined record from those four ballots determines the winner, which will play the winner of the adjacent bracket matchup, and so on until one school wins the tournament.  (Again, this is a very rough explanation -- a more detailed outline can be found on our website.)

Everything else about the tournament is business as usual.  Schools eliminated from the Bracket are placed in a general pool and are paired according to normal AMTA tabulation procedures.  Thus, every team play four rounds, two on each side of the case.  In fact, teams that do not advance to the championship trials can still finish as high as third place.  And, as usual, awards will be given to the best attorneys and witnesses.

We think that the Bracket format will add excitement, as well as improve some of the pairing impurities in the normal tabulation system.  If you have any questions or ideas about the Bracket system, don’t be shy about contacting me.  We want the tournament to run as smoothly as possible.

Please let me know by email (irvine.coach@gmail.com) if you’re preliminarily interested in competing in the 2008 Beach Party Invitational.  This year, we will again be hosting many west coast schools but we’re also hoping to include other schools from around the country.  Participating schools must bring exactly two teams.  The cost will be $115 per team ($230 per school).  We do not expect that coaches will have to judge.  Obviously, as soon as we have our date selected, I will let everyone know.

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Re: Irvine's 2008 "Beach Party" Invitational - new bracket pairing system
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2008, 03:11:10 pm »
I had a chance to flip through the brochure's at Gold, and while I highly doubt Ole Miss can afford to fly out for it, I would recommend the tournament to anyone who CAN send two teams.  It's a really genius system and looks like it'll be a lot of fun.

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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2008, 01:00:07 am »
I really like this bracket idea and hope that it works out-- hopefully, my teams can participate and try it out.

One quesiton -- I am certain that the teams will be attempting to "balance" their plaintiff and defense teams while participating in the bracket system.

When knocked out, will they be allowed to "restack" their teams ?

 


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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2008, 08:27:08 am »
One quesiton -- I am certain that the teams will be attempting to "balance" their plaintiff and defense teams while participating in the bracket system.

When knocked out, will they be allowed to "restack" their teams ?

In the bracket system, schools don't have one plaintiff team and one defense team.  Instead, they have two teams, each of which prepares a plaintiff side and a defense side -- just like in any other tournament.

For example, suppose NYU makes the long swim out to Orange County for the tournament (actually, they are planning on attending!) and in round one they face our friends from Claremont McKenna College.  NYU has teams 564 and 565, and has designated that 564 will go plaintiff in round one; CMC has teams 732 and 733, and has designated that 733 will go plaintiff in round one.  Meanwhile, Stanford is playing Berkeley with, say, each school's "A" team going defense.  The winner of the NYU-CMC trials faces the winner of the Stanford-Berkeley matchup.  We get these first round pairings:

Pl. NYU 564 v. Def. CMC 732
Pl. CMC 732 v. Def. NYU 565

Pl. Cal 663 v. Def. Stanford 820
Pl. Stanford 821 v. Def. Cal 662

Let's then assume that my two alma maters (NYU and Cal) claim victory by winning more of the four ballots from their respective trials.  In the next round, both Cal teams and both NYU teams switch sides when they play each other.  Put differently, since NYU 564 just went plaintiff in round one, it will go defense in round two...and so on:

Pl. Cal 662 v. Def. NYU 564
Pl. NYU 565 v. Def. Cak 663

Note that all four teams -- 564, 565, 662 and 663 -- have to play both sides of the case.  For example, Team 663 went plaintiff in round one and defense in round two.  So, to finally answer finalverdict's question, there won't be any need to restack to balance sides.  (Schools may choose to balance their two teams more than they might in other tournaments.)

Meanwhile, Stanford and CMC have been eliminated from the bracket, but not from the tournament.  They are placed in the general pool and can finish as high as third.  Their second round opponent will be determined according to regular pairing procedures, except (1) the two teams from each school are still paired as a single unit (based on their collective record), and (2) there are never any side constraints when pairing because each school will always have one plaintiff side and one defense side per round.  Thus, even for teams eliminated from the bracket, there is no need to restack or reshape their rosters.

Thanks for the question; I hope the answer was clear enough (it was certainly long enough).  I am happy to answer any other questions that people may have about the bracket system.

Justin
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Re: Irvine's 2008 "Beach Party" Invitational - new bracket pairing system
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2008, 10:31:05 am »
There's no point in restacking teams because the system continues to have your school compete as a single unit. 

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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2008, 11:25:44 am »
there are never any side constraints when pairing because each school will always have one plaintiff side and one defense side per round.

Doesn't that set up a situation where a team knocked out of the bracket could go the same side all 4 rounds? And if so, would schools be allowed to switch competitors between teams so that students could compete on both sides?
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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2008, 11:54:42 am »
Doesn't that set up a situation where a team knocked out of the bracket could go the same side all 4 rounds? And if so, would schools be allowed to switch competitors between teams so that students could compete on both sides?

No, because each team switches sides from round to round regardless of whether they remain in the bracket.  For example, suppose the University of Virginia decides to visit us this November.  In round one, UVa would designate one of its two teams as plaintiff -- let's say 972.  That means 973 is defense in round one.  Thus, Team 972 would go plaintiff in rounds one and three, and defense in rounds two and four.  Team 973 would go plaintiff in rounds two and four, and defense in rounds one and three. 

This does not change if Virginia is knocked out of the bracket.  Suppose Virginia is beaten by USC is round two.  Virginia is then placed in the general tournament pool, which will have 12 schools (since only 4 schools of the original 16 remain in the bracket after round two).  Using normal pairing procedures, Virginia draws Northwood.  Once eliminated, teams from the same school still compete as a single unit.  This means that 972 and 973 both compete against Northwood teams.  In round three, Team 972 will go plaintiff against one Northwood team and Team 973 will go defense against one Northwood team.  And in round four, Team 972 will go defense against  and Team 973 will go plaintiff against opponents from the same school.

No matter how a school fares in the bracket -- whether it wins the tournament or is knocked out in the first round -- its two teams will each play both sides of the case twice, just like they would in any standard tournament. 

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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2008, 12:32:35 pm »
Very interesting.

By the way...
Suppose Virginia is beaten by USC is round two.
Change "round two" to "week one" and you've predicted the start of our football season next year.
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Re: Irvine's 2008 "Beach Party" Invitational - new bracket pairing system
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2008, 04:46:04 pm »
So a school can't really go without two competitive teams?

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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2008, 05:27:05 pm »
So a school can't really go without two competitive teams?

Yes, the bracket system we will be using requires each participating school to enter exactly two teams. 

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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2008, 12:12:16 am »
have you decided on a weekend?

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Re: Irvine's 2008 "Beach Party" Invitational - new bracket pairing system
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2008, 01:36:31 pm »
So...if its a beach party...

can we wear bathing "Suits"?

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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2008, 02:21:13 pm »
of course you can, formal ones.  but no bikinis- its a courthouse

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Re: Irvine's 2008 "Beach Party" Invitational - new bracket pairing system
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2008, 12:41:27 pm »
We're aware that before teams commit to the cost and inconvenience of a cross-country trip, they want to make sure the quality of competition is strong.  With that in mind -- and with the hope of filling our two remaining spots -- I want to provide an update regarding the Beach Party's current field.

We're very excited about the quality and diversity of our confirmed teams: Berkeley, NYU, UCLA, Columbia, USC, Northwood, Stanford, Loras, Arizona State, Redlands, Southern Methodist, Claremont McKenna, Fresno, and Irvine.   All 14 reached nationals last season; 8 reached the National Championship; and 6 earned winning records at the Championship. 

Please email me if you are interested in one of the two remaining spots (recall that, because of our pairing system, all participating schools must bring two teams).  The basic information is listed in previous posts, but here is a recap.  The tournament is November 15-16 on the UCI campus, which is less than five miles from the John Wayne Airport and several reasonably priced hotels.  We are using a new "bracket" pairing procedure that you can read about on our website.  http://www.irvinemocktrial.com/NEWWEBSITE/newbeachparty.html  The cost is $115 per team and $15 per person for the Saturday night beachside bonfire barbecue. 

Justin
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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2008, 06:58:49 pm »
Our bracket is finalized! 

You can view the bracket at http://www.irvinemocktrial.com/NEWWEBSITE/2008_Beach_Party_Bracket.pdf  We have some great first round matchups! 

We really struggled with the question of how to seed the tournament.  Bonus Bid rankings place inordinate weight on how teams performed three years ago.  Nationals record puts too much emphasis on qualifying for nationals in the first place, which doesn’t account for regional imbalances.  And most statistics fail to capture the strength of a school’s “B team,” which is critical at the Beach Party because every competing school has its two teams compete as a single unit.

So, in keeping with the bracket format, we decided to borrow from the NCAA basketball tournament, which uses a Selection Committee of athletic directors and conference commissioners to choose its participants.  Here, we asked five of the most knowledgeable and respected coaches from around the country to seed the schools.  They identified four 1 seeds, four 2 seeds, four 3 seeds and four 4 seeds.  UC Irvine then assigned those teams to the different quadrants of the bracket so that every quadrant had a 1, 2, 3, and 4 seed.  (The reason that we did not ask the Seeding Committee to simply fill out the entire bracket is that we wanted to balance logistical concerns with competitive concerns.  For example, NYU and Columbia shouldn’t travel 3,000 miles to play their next-door neighbor.  So the Committee gave them a 1 and 2 seed, respectively, and UCI put them on opposite sides of the bracket.) 

Given the experimental nature of the bracket pairing method, we are always looking for suggestions and critiques.  Let me know if you have any thoughts or questions.  Thank you!

Justin Bernstein
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Re: Irvine's 2008 "Beach Party" Invitational - new bracket pairing system
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2008, 03:02:14 pm »
The action starts in 22 hours and the beach barbecue starts in 31.  We're excited to try our new bracket system and very appreciative of the 15 other schools (30 teams) willing to participate in the experiment. 

Two key updates: we anticipate cooperative weather and plentiful judging.  The weekend forecast is sunshine with a light breeze, high of 84 and an evening low of 58 -- that's Newport Beach in November!  As far as the judging goes, unless we have unprecedented cancellations and no-shows, we will not need to use any coaches, law students or other non-attorneys.  In fact, more than 75% of our judging pool will be litigators and more than 10% will be actual sitting judges. 

Finally, if there is interest (and if I get an internet connection in the building), I will try to post the updated Bracket throughout the tournament.  Here is the opening round:

(1) UCLA                                                                        Berkeley (1)
(4) Southern Methodist                                                Redlands (4)

(2) Northwood                                                                   Irvine (2)
(3) Claremont                                                                     Loras (3)
 


(1) NYU                                                                                 USC (1)
(4) UC Santa Barbara                                                       Fresno (4)

(2) Stanford                                                                  Columbia (2)
(3) Hamline                                                                  Arizona St (3)

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Re: Irvine's 2008 "Beach Party" Invitational - new bracket pairing system
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2008, 12:29:34 am »
Here's the word from Irvine:

Following Round 1: The Elite 8
SMU
Northwood
NYU
Stanford
Cal
Irvine
USC
Columbia

Following Round 2: The Final 4
Northwood
NYU
Cal
Columbia

Will post updates as I get them.
(Go Lions.)

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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2008, 07:34:20 pm »
NYU v. Berkeley in the finals.  Good luck to both of my alma maters!

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« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2008, 02:14:44 am »
Cal by a nose.
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« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2008, 04:21:40 am »
Berkeley +7, +13 and NYU +7, +12.  Berkeley won by 1 point.

Full tab summary coming tomorrow.

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« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2008, 11:22:28 am »
UC Irvine thanks everyone who attended and judged at our tournament.  We had a lot of fun and we hope you did, too.  Congratulations to Berkeley on winning the bracket -- even if you did knock my team out in the process! 

(1) I'm really proud of our judge turnout.  We needed 128 seats filled and we got 162.  More than 80% were litigators; more than 10% were actual sitting judges.  Our six semi-final and final rounds were all presided over either by real judges or Dean Erwin Chemerinsky. 

(2) The Beach Party tab summary is now accessible from the AMTA site (it wasn't working properly, but the link now works -- thanks to Claremont's Abhi Nemani for catching the problem).  http://www.collegemocktrial.org/mock/tab_invitationals/uc_irvine_2008_beach_party_tab_summary_(amta)-117.pdf

As you can see, we decided to add a few "bells and whistles" to the tab summary.  If you have any ideas for other statistics we could have measured (or questions), please let me know at irvine.coach@gmail.com

(3) I'm obviously biased, but the bracket system seemed to be well-received.  I liked the fact that entire programs won or lost, not just individual teams.  In the tabroom, it certainly made pairing easier -- we only had one impermissible all tournament.  If you have any comments about the bracket system -- positive or negative -- please share them. 

(4) Finally, a belated thanks to everyone who helped in our tabroom: the amazing Seelaus, Mike Kelly, Steve Borello, Keith Fichtelman, Lauren Zimmerman, Phil Gary, Amanda Bonn and Gautam Sood.  They dealt with 32 teams' worth of ballots and tabulation, not to mention the added challenges presented by a bracket.  I owe you all In N Out!

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« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2008, 07:36:19 pm »
I just wanted to thank and congratulate Justin and all of his fellow anteaters for putting together a first rate tournament.  The facilities were great, the judging pool was very strong, and the bracket system made for an interesting twist.  Also the beach party was a really good time, and major props to Hameline for actually making it into the water.

Also, thank you to SMU, Redlands, Arizona State, and Loras for giving our teams some really competitive and fun rounds.  Best of luck to all of you as the season moves forward.

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« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2008, 07:48:11 pm »
That is the most interesting tab summary I've ever seen. Very nice job. It must have taken a lot of time and hard work.

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« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2008, 09:47:41 pm »
Also the beach party was a really good time, and major props to Hameline for actually making it into the water.

It was cold as hell I must admit. Crazy, and probably not one of our better ideas, but it was fun. Hamline had a great time, and the beach party was excellent.

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« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2008, 01:02:06 pm »


(2) The Beach Party tab summary is now accessible from the AMTA site (it wasn't working properly, but the link now works -- thanks to Claremont's Abhi Nemani for catching the problem).  http://www.collegemocktrial.org/mock/tab_invitationals/uc_irvine_2008_beach_party_tab_summary_(amta)-117.pdf

As you can see, we decided to add a few "bells and whistles" to the tab summary.  If you have any ideas for other statistics we could have measured (or questions), please let me know at irvine.coach@gmail.com


Sabremetrics has come to Mock Trial!!

Suggested future stats:  Value Over Replacement Witness, Objection-independent examination scores, Courthouse Factor . . .

Seriously, this is awesome.  Very fun to read and think about. 
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« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2008, 03:12:04 pm »
That is awesome.

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« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2008, 02:13:34 pm »
It was cold as hell I must admit. Crazy, and probably not one of our better ideas, but it was fun. Hamline had a great time, and the beach party was excellent.

Bottom line: The beach though cold was beautiful.
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« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2008, 02:19:29 pm »
That tab analysis was the most insane thing I've ever seen.

Well done Justin, well done.

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« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2008, 05:03:07 pm »
Yeah, most excellent tab summary, Justin.

One open question to anyone who knows - how long has Buchanan Vines been doing undergrad mock trial now? I thought that he had graduated.

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« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2008, 01:25:11 am »
good question atticus, but i figured you would be the one to know...  ;-)

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« Reply #30 on: December 01, 2008, 02:03:23 pm »
One open question to anyone who knows - how long has Buchanan Vines been doing undergrad mock trial now? I thought that he had graduated.

According to Columbia's website, Buchanan Vines started competing in 04-05.  While they have him listed as an '08 graduate, he could have presumably not graduated and this is his 5th year of eligibility.  Until this Fall, I do not think he was competing for a least a year and a half though.

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« Reply #31 on: December 01, 2008, 03:19:35 pm »
Buck did not compete last year.  He's good on eligibility.