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The 2009-10 Power Poll
« on: October 08, 2009, 09:25:59 am »
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Re: The 2009-10 Power Poll
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2009, 06:29:36 pm »
Please post last season's final rankings here to help people :)
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Re: The 2009-10 Power Poll
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2009, 08:13:50 pm »
http://www.perjuries.com/bbs/index.php/topic,3908.105.html

That's the final power poll right before the National Championship in April 2009.

These are the top-25 according to this year's BBR:
1. George Washington
2. Northwood
3. NYU
4. Cornell
5. EKU
6. Iowa
7. UCLA
8. Georgetown
9. Miami
10. Stanford
11. Furman
12. Michigan
13. UVa
14. Yale
15. Cal-Berkeley
16. Harvard
17. Pitt
18. Maryland
19. Texas
20. UC-Irvine
21. Richmond
22. Boston
23. UCLA B
24. Drake
25. Northwestern

The BBR, as best as I understand it, takes into account past performances at the National and ORCS/ Silver level. It obviously doesn't necessarily predict future performance as it doesn't take into account who has graduated, etc.
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Re: The 2009-10 Power Poll
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2009, 11:45:40 pm »
Please post last season's final rankings here to help people :)

How will last years rankings help people other than re-enforce the establishment?

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Re: The 2009-10 Power Poll
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2009, 08:30:22 pm »
not sure. but it might reinforce it.

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Re: The 2009-10 Power Poll
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2009, 09:50:01 pm »
http://www.perjuries.com/bbs/index.php/topic,3908.105.html

That's the final power poll right before the National Championship in April 2009.

These are the top-25 according to this year's BBR:
1. George Washington
2. Northwood
3. NYU
4. Cornell
5. EKU
6. Iowa
7. UCLA
8. Georgetown
9. Miami
10. Stanford
11. Furman
12. Michigan
13. UVa
14. Yale
15. Cal-Berkeley
16. Harvard
17. Pitt
18. Maryland
19. Texas
20. UC-Irvine
21. Richmond
22. Boston
23. UCLA B
24. Drake
25. Northwestern

The BBR, as best as I understand it, takes into account past performances at the National and ORCS/ Silver level. It obviously doesn't necessarily predict future performance as it doesn't take into account who has graduated, etc.

New England area nitpick re: "22. Boston"

I assume this refers to Boston University, as I understand they advanced pretty far last season, but it might be helpful to specify between Boston University and Boston College.
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Re: The 2009-10 Power Poll
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2009, 11:37:25 am »
Power Poll #1

1.   NYU 361 (3)
2.   UCLA 335 (3)
3.   Virginia 319 (3)
4.   George Washington 301 (2)
5.   Georgetown 258
6.   Northwood 251 (1)
7.   Furman 241
8.   Harvard 232
9.   Miami 227 (1)
10.   Columbia 184 (2)
11.   Berkeley 169
12.   Cornell 165
13.   Iowa 150
14.   Duke 147
15.   Stanford 146
16.   Pittsburgh 139 (1)
17.   Yale 127
18.   Washington - St Louis 121
19.   Rhodes 106
20.   EKU 104
21.   Michigan 95
22.   Bellarmine 94
23.   Richmond 85
24.   UC Irvine 83
25.   Texas 67

Others receiving votes: Penn 59, Maryland 51, Washington & Lee 51, Northwestern 50, Boston 43, Illinois 30, Georgia 26, Loyola – Chicago 25, Tennessee 21, Lake Forest 13, MTSU 11, Penn State 10, Princeton 10, Arizona State 9, USC 8, U. Washington 8, Florida 8, Claremont McKenna 6, Patrick Henry 6, Air Force 5, Minnesota – Morris 5, North Carolina 5, Loras 5, Alabama – Birmingham 4, Drake 4, Boston College 2, Arizona 1, Chicago 1, Saint Louis 1.

Story Lines

Because of Your Disrespect, We’ll Just Have to Do It Again. 
The defending champion, Northwood University, picked up just one first place vote and is ranked outside of the Top 5.  In fact, despite consecutive years in the top two of their Championship division, the Timberwolves have never cracked the Power Poll Top 5.  True, they’ve started slowly this season—with just 13 wins among their three teams at the Ohio State Invitational—but they started slowly the last two years, too.  Be careful, pollsters: you probably don’t want to give Mr. Hartsfield and Company any bulletin board material.
Three for Three.   In the year’s Poll, three schools garnered three first place votes: NYU, UCLA, and Virginia.  Not coincidentally these three schools comprise the Top 3 in the rankings.  All three return excellent veterans: Co’Relous Bryant and Amanda Tuminelli (NYU); Stephen Mayer and Peter Fuller (UCLA); and Paul Wiley, Juliana Yee, and Ben Wallace (Virginia).  But all three also lost one of their A team captains: Justin Matarrese, Shoyeb Siddique, and Michael Griffin (NYU); Miles Prince (UCLA); and Shikha Gupta (Virginia).  Virginia and NYU took first and second, respectively, at the Spider Classic.  How will UCLA fare in their debut?
Early results are in…   In addition to Virginia’s victory in Richmond, we already 8 other tournament champions.  WashU began their consistent fall domination by winning the kickoff event, the Billiken Barrister, and EKU's invite.  They're the only two-time winner so far.  Duke took down the Elon’s Carolina Classic.  Illinois’s victory at the Scarlet & Gray brought them to #31 in Poll.  Lake Forest picked up votes with its 8-0 finish in the Twin Cities.  Tennessee won Georgia’s Classic City Invitational.  Columbia’s 6-2 at Penn State, while not exactly a roar, was good enough for first.  New Hampshire won its own tournament.  Luther won the (two-round) Norse Invitational. 
Where is the Love?   Last year, Stanford finished second in its Des Moines division and Penn finished third.  Stanford now starts at only #15 and Penn is out of the Top 25. 
Where is the Love, Part II?   EKU starts the season as #5 in AMTA’s bonus bid rankings, but sits at only #20 in the Power Poll.  EKU’s bigger gripe should be that despite consecutive Top Ten Championship finishes, the President’s gang was only ranked in the Top 25 by 7 out of 16 voters—the lowest number of any Top 25 team.
My Region is Better Than Your Region.   How are the Top 25 distributed geographically?  We have 8 teams from the Northeast, 8 schools from the South, 5 from the Midwest, and 4 from the West.  The California schools will surely be claiming an east coast bias—but then again the Yankees and the Phillies did just beat the Dodgers and the Angels.  Between the Northeast and the South, the nod goes to the Northeast, as all 8 Northeast teams are in the Top 17, while only 3 Southern schools can make that claim.
Till We Meet Again…   The next Poll will be on November 19, just before the premier invitational of the Fall.  Before GAMTI, everything else is just scrimmaging.  Rankings are due on Wednesday, November 18.  Until then, good luck, stay safe, and try not to anger Ronald Victory.

edited because of the helpful comment below...thanks
« Last Edit: October 29, 2009, 12:06:08 pm by AndrewLias »

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Re: The 2009-10 Power Poll
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2009, 11:48:16 am »
Power Poll #1

Who will be the first school to win its second invitational?


Wash U. already has won their second tournament. They went 7-1 to win the EKU invitational.

All in all though, thank you for such an in depth and detailed analysis!

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Re: The 2009-10 Power Poll
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2009, 12:11:22 pm »
Good results and nice analysis I like it. Thank you for continuing to do this. Will Wash U be at the Derby or GAMTI? Those are the two major tournaments this semester.
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Re: The 2009-10 Power Poll
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2009, 01:04:00 pm »
really solid poll and analysis..like any poll you can argue positions here and there but I like what I'm seeing

oh and props to Wash U they are competing as good as anyone right now and deserve a lot of credit.  hopefully they will be at the Derby Challenge

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Re: The 2009-10 Power Poll
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2009, 01:20:52 pm »
Mr. Hartsfield of Northwood won't be apart of that "company" until January.  Also, Illinois- Chicago won the Scarlett and Gray, not Illinois.  So which one is ranked #31?

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Re: The 2009-10 Power Poll
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2009, 01:24:23 pm »
Mr. Hartsfield of Northwood won't be apart of that "company" until January.  Also, Illinois- Chicago won the Scarlett and Gray, not Illinois.  So which one is ranked #31?

Is he not competing until 2nd semester?
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Re: The 2009-10 Power Poll
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2009, 01:26:11 pm »
I am pretty sure he is studying abroad.  Good for him.

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Re: The 2009-10 Power Poll
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2009, 08:01:27 pm »

My Region is Better Than Your Region.   How are the Top 25 distributed geographically?  We have 8 teams from the Northeast, 8 schools from the South, 5 from the Midwest, and 4 from the West.  The California schools will surely be claiming an east coast bias—but then again the Yankees and the Phillies did just beat the Dodgers and the Angels.  Between the Northeast and the South, the nod goes to the Northeast, as all 8 Northeast teams are in the Top 17, while only 3 Southern schools can make that claim.

I don't think the west will be claiming any bias, but it is important to remember where most of the invitationals are located throughout the country--the midwest and east coast. Traveling expenses really limit the opportunities for some schools to compete and students are often forced to pay their own way. Although I don't think there's a causal connection between region and performance (obviously some make it work), I do think it is something to consider when comparing regions.   
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Re: The 2009-10 Power Poll
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2009, 12:30:12 am »
Iceman, I couldn't agree with you more.

With my little experience in mock...

You can't really start a post with that and expect people to take you seriously... Although the Boston Legal signature may have made up for it, I have mixed feelings about this
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