White Plains, NY ORCs Poll

[MiaWUCU]

Mia- I'll assume your referring to Penn? Even though we've had our share of stupid perjuries posting, Penn can't take credit for this one.

Forgive me for the error as nearly every bizarre and/or rude reference to Buck on perjuries or in person has been from Penn.

[99problems]

Forgive me for the error as nearly every bizarre and/or rude reference to Buck on perjuries or in person has been from Penn.

Come on now. I am proud to say that I am in no way affiliated with Penn, but I have to admit that the Buck jokes are pretty funny. Lets all remember that jokes are not meant to be taken seriously. We all know Buck was a baller, even if he was 42.

[PJG2001]

Come on now. I am proud to say that I am in no way affiliated with Penn

I guess that makes you a Renegade.

As for how we, the few people on this forum who are actually friends with Buck, are supposed to take all of your unnecessary, irrelevant, and in the case of Earl's Ox, incoherent comments about our friend, I don't know. Because I don't know who you are. And although I have my suspicions, I don't know with which program you are affiliated.

What I do know is that Buchanan Vines is a real person. Not just some cartoon character that you guys have seen dominate the courtroom and the tab summaries these past few years. And now he's done with this activity. He's not even a member of this community anymore. So the attacks on him, apart from being distasteful, are just bizarre and cowardly.

[NoFoundationNecessary]

I guess that makes you a Renegade.

Do I have to write a "not from Penn" disclaimer after every idiot makes fun of Buchanan Vines on perjuries?

I met Buchanan at nationals, he's a nice guy. If some people on perjuries disagree or don't care to find out, that's on them.

[MiaWUCU]

Do I have to write a "not from Penn" disclaimer after every idiot makes fun of Buchanan Vines on perjuries?

NoFoundationNecessary, I don't know who you are, and by all means you might be a very nice person.  Unfortunately it is not unreasonable for us to believe that posts about Buck come from your program.  It's a track record by your program members' own making, and it wasn't helped by the member of your program at Jamaica who took the opportunity to come over and insult our team and Buck at opening ceremonies without any provocation.  We strive for a basic level of respect in our program, and if you don't want people assuming otherwise from yours, perhaps you should take a look within.

[99problems]

it seems excessive and unfair to assume that an entire program acts or feels the same way as one or two of their teammates.

but back to earl oxs post, i definitely disagree that Columbia B, NYU B or Maryland B with "certainly not advance". I've heard great things about all three of these teams. Sometimes a program's B team can be much better than their A team; and, even if they aren't better, strong programs like the three mentioned definitely have a chance to send both teams to nationals.

[The Gelf]

Okay, can we please NOT give NYU, Maryland and Columbia bulletin board material four days before this competition?  The task ahead for the rest of us is hard enough as it is.    Thanks. 

I judged Buchanan Vines a number of times.  He was and remains one of the best I've ever seen.  Plus, while I don't know him that well, in all my conversations with him, he comes off as a genuinely nice dude.  It's AMTA's loss that he won't be competing again.

[The Gelf]

Does anyone really care, based on his previous posts, what this guy thinks?

You have to admit, the almost 1/1 post/negative karma ratio is kind of impressive.

[Nonsensical]

Come on now. I am proud to say that I am in no way affiliated with Penn, but I have to admit that the Buck jokes are pretty funny. Lets all remember that jokes are not meant to be taken seriously. We all know Buck was a baller, even if he was 42.

Is that what you'd tell your employer when you make a comment about another employee?  Cause that doesn't jive in the real world.  Bad-mouthing or making comments about individuals (whether they are made in jest or are genuine) are inappropriate on this forum or in person.  I've seen Buchanan compete in person and he's a fantastic orator.  I don't understand why people make comments about him ad nauseum.  It's time to move on.

[Nur Rauch]

Is that what you'd tell your employer when you make a comment about another employee?  Cause that doesn't jive in the real world.  Bad-mouthing or making comments about individuals (whether they are made in jest or are genuine) are inappropriate on this forum or in person.  I've seen Buchanan compete in person and he's a fantastic orator.  I don't understand why people make comments about him ad nauseum.  It's time to move on.

I don't have an opinion on the whole Buck thing, but I do want to say that the level of sensitivity to workplace humor in our society is far beyond ridiculous.

[Nonsensical]

I don't have an opinion on the whole Buck thing, but I do want to say that the level of sensitivity to workplace humor in our society is far beyond ridiculous.

I don't.  I actually think that when you start working you'll have an appreciation for why there are certain expectations of conduct in the workplace. 

Students who do this activity, whether they do it for four years straight or take some time away from school and return as an older student are doing it for the same reason we all did it; because it's an enriching activity that we enjoy.  That does not mean that people have the right to consistently be rude.  I don't understand why someone may feel compelled to poke at specific individuals on this forum negatively for no other reason than because they have a seemingly anonymous screen name and they think it's funny (even if it's actually insulting). 

[99problems]

Is that what you'd tell your employer when you make a comment about another employee?  Cause that doesn't jive in the real world.  Bad-mouthing or making comments about individuals (whether they are made in jest or are genuine) are inappropriate on this forum or in person.  I've seen Buchanan compete in person and he's a fantastic orator.  I don't understand why people make comments about him ad nauseum.  It's time to move on.

Since when is perjuries comparable to a workplace environment? Perjuries is a forum for mock-obsessed people who are so bored that we are forced to make fun of other mock-obsessed people. It has nothing to do with the "real world". Its MOCK trial.

And just because people joke about Buck being old, doesn't mean we don't respect him as a fantastic competitor. The only reason people are so glad that Buck is old is because we no longer have to dread closing against him.

[Nonsensical]

Since when is perjuries comparable to a workplace environment? Perjuries is a forum for mock-obsessed people who are so bored that we are forced to make fun of other mock-obsessed people. It has nothing to do with the "real world". Its MOCK trial.

And just because people joke about Buck being old, doesn't mean we don't respect him as a fantastic competitor. The only reason people are so glad that Buck is old is because we no longer have to dread closing against him.

The reason I made the analogy is because there have been multiple times where people have been singled out in a joking way when others might not find it so funny.  A couple years ago there was a truly egregious incident that got out of hand.  The reason I made the analogy is because despite the fact that people seem comfortable making such comments on here because they think it's anonymous, the legal world is a very small world and one off-color remark can become a real issue.  The point is, the community here is comprised of your potential future colleagues and what one says of other "mock-obsessed people" out of boredom can become a problem.  It's a reflection on the person as well as their programs even if someone disclaims the post does not or should not reflect their school's program.

Just because Buchanan has been passionate about mock trial doesn't mean he went on this forum to make comments about other "mock-obsessed" people.  He didn't.  I'm not saying these comments made were egregious.  I don't by any means think they were, I just don't understand the need to single specific people out when they could be taken in the wrong way.  We all like to joke around, but I don't think it's a crime to exercise prudence in what is said about specific people.  That's the only thing I was trying to get at, and you don't have to agree with me because I really don't mean for this to be a debate.  I just think there is a certain level of respect that everyone should be afforded, and to hear that these jokes were not just posed here but that he has been approached in person is really unfortunate. 

[99problems]

I just think there is a certain level of respect that everyone should be afforded, and to hear that these jokes were not just posed here but that he has been approached in person is really unfortunate.

I do agree with you here. When we all make jokes on perjuries, its supposed to just be in jest. But confronting someone in person is very unfortunate. I would hope that people do not carry over little perjuries jokes into real life. If thats what you meant by your previous post, then I'm sorry I misinterpreted you.

Lets all get back to the point of this thread! White Plains predictions.... 

[Nonsensical]

Lets all get back to the point of this thread! White Plains predictions.... 

It will rain and there will be a shortage of toilet paper in one of the bathrooms so there will be a mad dash to the next closest bathroom, which is unfortunately at least 45 seconds further away.